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Internet debate round-up

01-07-2009 - Ben | Debate, Delib news and events, Democracy and government, Participation, Social media, web 2.0 and other buzzwords

So you may have noticed that we were running this debate last night, ‘the internet: the saviour or corruptor of democracy?’, (with the help of the Henry Jackson Society, sponsored by MessageSpace and very graciously hosted in Parliament by Danny Alexander MP).

Our pretty prestigious panel comprised Paul Staines (Guido Fawkes blog), Peter Kellner (YouGov), Michael White (Associate Editor, the Guardian), Grant Shapps MP (Shadow Minister for Housing) and Nick Robinson (BBC Political Editor).  There were something like 120 people attending in person and we also opened up the debate via Twitter (you can read through the interactions and my frantic attempts to keep up coverage via #idebate).

My quick reflections on the debate are below; before that, though, you might want to check out our freshly uploaded photos of the event, a clip of the Michael White ‘tw@tter’ incident or Guido vs Nick Robinson

The good

  • That was a great line-up of panelists and guests for the first of what we hope will be at least several such debates.  Kudos to those involved in organising it and let’s hope it sets a precedent for highly engaging, high profile discussions on interesting topics.
  • It was fun (and hopefully beneficial) to try out the Twitter follow-along.  Personally, I enjoyed seeing people play with the fact that they could get a message broadcast live on the big screen and it was great to have participation from both within the room and across the world.
  • There were some big characters up on the stage and the coming-together of personalities and agendas was certainly entertaining (if not necessarily conducive to the most objective debate).
  • There were some great questions from the floor (on- and off-line) that hinted at a real interest at a sophisticated level in some big ideas about the relationship of the internet, ‘the people’, politics and democracy.
  • Loads of people went away with one of our ‘good online policy-making guides’; I genuinely think that the matching of internet tools and approaches to essential governance processes means the booklet will be of benefit to anyone involved in policy-making (and not just a handy bit of marketing for us).

The not-so-good

  • Only one slight gripe from me really: the vociferous interaction of our media panelists meant that the debate focused a bit too much on publishing, press and ‘push’ models for my liking – more a discussion of the impact of the democratisation of the media than necessarily democracy itself at times.  On a couple of occasions, the contributions felt like ‘my dad’s bigger than your dad’ rather than an attempt to identify and address problems or opportunities.  I guess that’s to be expected but, as a handful of Twitterers noted, it would’ve been nice to push harder at some of the more radical or fundamental issues around things like public participation in formal decision-making, privacy, open data, ongoing citizen engagement, leadership etc.
  • Actually, one other thing: we didn’t really get time to dig into the questions received via Twitter, which was a shame.

The miscellaneous

  • Couple of nagging curiosities from the event: 1) if we assume the internet challenges both, where in the balance of the system (referenda or representation?  ‘Clubs’ of media, politicians, campaigners etc or absolute open access?  Stuff like that…) and the medium (internet is the new telephone, a channel to do much the same job as before, only better) do we want to see change happen?  2) Moderation and making use of things like Twitter for feedback – is trust or zero-tolerance best?  Is it freedom of expression, futile or just fun to call Michael White a ‘twat’ because one can?  Do mass participation tools hit a human limit of saturation or information overload?
  • Our audience looked, on paper and in the flesh, like a bunch of interesting people – sad not to get more of a chance to talk to them afterwards
  • Parliament looks good in the sunshine!

That’s all for me for now – I’m sure other people can chip in (other write-ups are on the way already, including one on Guido’s own blog).

7 comments for now

7 Responses to “Internet debate round-up”

  1. [...] This post was Twitted by cbstalk [...]

    01 Jul 2009 at 2:16 pm

  2. [...] and to co-organiser, DelibConsults. Some other bloggers who were there include, the aforementioned Delib, ToryBear and Guido Fawkes. Hello there! If you are new here, you might want to subscribe to the [...]

    01 Jul 2009 at 3:18 pm

  3. Thanks for organising this – I’m looking forward to the podcast when it’s available. And thanks for allowing Twitter participation – that was great. A shame some people used that just to be sweary, stupid and so on. I’ve no idea if anything can be done about that.

    A point about Twitter questions, though. You’ll think I’m a mad, raging angry punter because I’ve raised this a few times: but I’m not. I just keep going on about it because your replies to me on Twitter so far make it look as though you’ve not “got” my point.

    You invited Twitter questions; I and no doubt other sent them in; the end of the debate you asked for any final Twitter questions; later you apologised to people for not being able to ask the questions and tweeted me that you didn’t get close to asking them all. So I know (1) that you had a big list of unasked questions including mine (2) that at the end of the debate you still thought you might have time to ask a Twitter question or two but (3) that you felt you needed more Twitter questions.

    Can you see how that makes me feel my question was somehow not good enough, if you needed more?

    I think the way to avoid people getting the feeling their question has been rejected is just to say upfront that you’ll pick questions you like! If you have an idea of the subjects you’d like covered (I got the impression you wanted to steer the debate away from blogging towards campaigning, other types of web-democracy etc.) then just say so!

    Explaining after the fact by saying there wasn’t enough time left me feeling you weren’t being straight – your asking for more questions shows is wasn’t about time.

    02 Jul 2009 at 5:22 pm

  4. [...] Last night I was the only politician on a panel at a Henry Jackson Society debate The Internet: Saviour or Corruptor of Democracy? [...]

    02 Jul 2009 at 5:48 pm

  5. There’s a More4 / Reboot Britain event in similar territory tonight in the Houses of Parliament around a screening of Ivo Gormley’s film ‘Us Now’ (which is being Broadcast on More 4 this Friday night 10th July). We’ll try to pick up on some of the loose ends above and we’ll use #usnow if you want to follow from afar.
    http://usnowparliament.eventbrite.com/

    08 Jul 2009 at 10:40 am

  6. [...] we’ve finally got our 15 minute edit of the Internet and democracy debate we ran earlier in the [...]

    28 Jul 2009 at 10:04 am

  7. [...] the great success of our last debate event back in July, we’re holding a new debate in Parliament in January (18th)  – kindly [...]

    13 Nov 2009 at 9:44 am

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